This is why I believe Goku used his SSJ form to battle Bills after SSJG form's time ran out. Super Dragon Ball Heroes: Big Bang Mission!!! Gotenks fought in SSJ3 against Super Buu and his fusion time dropped. Fusion Dance is add powers and x1,000. 42. and like every one said goku only was able to go ssj3 because his time in other world and check this out every time vegeta die he never got to keep his body.99.43.172.149 13:53, August 25, 2011 (UTC) BY vegeta jr, I just want to point out that Goku DID see Cell in his Super Perfect Form... Father-Son Kamehameha ring a bell? Vegeta witnessed Goku fighting Kid Buu in SS3 form. he reached ssj3 because of combined powers, if a force was so great in DBZ, i think fusion with goku would have been a thought. Just because he didnt never transform into it, doesnt mean that he cant. Plain Jane STR Vegeta is here with his +100% damage passive and Supreme modifier. For Goku to have closed the gap isnt surprising but youre trying to tell me that Vegeta closed the gap without ever reaching ssj3? I'm not completely convinced that Vegeta never went to Super Saiyan 3 (even though we never saw it). so to me there is no cear cut winner. even the author explains it on one of his blogs. Deleted member 203 user requested account closure. Not too many events last that long though, so it’s not a huge weakness, all things considered. SSJ2 Goku and SSJ2 Vegeta are exactly even. now if u go to think of it, had he of trained harder like goku, then by the end of Z or the start of GT, he wud definatley of become a ss3.TheDarkPrinceReturns! 19:53, April 7, 2010 (UTC), They stated that Dabura was equal to Perfect Cell,not Super Perfect Cell.-------------------Ucell, if i may recall, they never said perfect cell nether did they say super perfect cell. Plus, Fusion Dance is much weaker than Potara. SSJ2 would probably be better, although you run the risk of not being strong enough to win. Oh and Gohan wasn't Mystic agianst Broly and Goku was only SSJ not SSJ2. "Full blooded saiyans, never change their hair since the day they are born" and morst definatley, where has the black star dragon balls come from ????? Str Gogeta; SSJBE Vegeta; SSJ3 Broly; SSJ3 Gotenks; 3x MVP 17; Teq Cell; AGL Goku; INT SSJG Vegeta; Teq Cell; 2x Super 17; O Shenron; Str Buu; 2x Phys Broly (old) AGL SSJ4 Vegeta; Teq Frieza; UI Goku; Get Your Dokkan account now; FREE. upheaval (SSJ, SSJ2 and maybe SSJ4 on Goku's case) or an external motivator (like the blutz machine for Vegeta's SSJ4). All of the Super Saiyan forms have drawbacks, if you look close enough. Vegetta did accomplished his SSJ3 form but it's never shown at the anime....there's an existing databook about their power levels and it is shown that both of them reached SSJ4 although Vegetta can only achieve it via Blitz Wave....a saiyan can't possibly become SSJ4 without enough power level >.> so if I were you peepz we should all just accept the fact that Goku and Vegetta are even in terms of power.. Goku only manage to transform to his SSJ4 form bec. Vegeta needs to have a pre-determined amount of ki to transform. View all Vegito SSJ4 Xeno Gotenks transforming (INT) Buutenks buu transforming (TEC) Goku and Vegeta (angel) Kefla Vegito LR (TEQ) Gogeta LR (PHY) Beerus (PHY) Majin Vegeta Goku SSJ2 (Angel) Fused C-13 Coora (STR) Bardock Future Gohan (INT) Piccolo SSB (kaioken) Goku (STR) Zamasu (AGL) Future trunks (TEC) Goku (namek saga) Gohan SSJ2 LR Cell LR Vegeta SSJ4 (STR… Even if he did, he did not have the time to attempt to learn it before King Yemma brought him back to fight Buu. Dragon Ball Wiki is a FANDOM Anime Community. The Fallen. Same with USSJ. besides, super perfect cell aint dat strong, he was defeated by ss2 teen gohan and as we know, vegeta and kakarot had both grown stronger than him during the years.TheDarkPrinceReturns! its really just about the fact that goku trained more,yes he is stronger than vegeta but that DOES NOT mean he doesnt have the potential to reach ssj3. Plus, with Goku dying so much and all, ? SSJ2/Base Form are worse in balance. And btw, Gohan (on the end of DBZ and beyond) can also transform into SSJ3, as well as Gogeta and Vegito; since it only depends on raw power. if babidi gave vegeta the ability to use ss2 form, then goku wud not state dat.TheDarkPrinceReturns! So to do that, the focus had to stay on Goku, sacrificing Vegeta's shot at SS3. Goku says that (he actually says by hard training, but training is basically a mean to increase the ki so..) and Gotenks proves it, since he/them only saw Goku transform once and by that and a few days mastering the transformation, they did transform on SSJ3 quite easily. He has no DEF Buffs, so once his Damage reduction is gone, he’s going to be working off his low DEF stat and Leader Skill Buffs. Shakuran13ThisendsNOW! Comparing SSJ2 Goku when he fought Majiin Vegeta to SSJ3 Goku if he decided to use that form in the fight is a much more valid comparision. He is stronger than ssj3 goku in his EPIC ssj2 mode and BE EPIC AS HELL, Warning if any GT haters are reading this close your eyes lets begin. Reduces damage received by 80% for 10 turns from start of turn; ATK +120% when the target enemy is stunned, Writer on the GamePress DBZ Dokkan Battle wiki. TheDarkPrinceReturns! And btw, he did ask to Goten on one of the first DBGT episodes if he did take easy on the training with a reproval tone, or better, a Vegeta tone xD, so I dont think he will be that hypocrite. That's just what I think, I could be totally wrong. But we are forgetting a factor here. Seeing as how the pure-blooded Saiyans have more troube with transformations than the hybrids do for whatever reason, it makes sense Vegeta just wasn't able to do it because of the fact that he trained on Earth. (SSJ3 Vegeta and AGL SSJ3 Goku) (Xeno Goku and Xeno Gohan) This way you won't be starving for orbs as much, and floaters have a chance to super. SSJ2 multiples a Saiyans base power by 100x and SSJ3 multiples a Saiyans base power by 400x. TL;DR, Goku and Gotenks are the only other SSJ3s shown, and they both achieved it through supernatural means (being dead or being fused). Come On Guys Lets Think Vegeta SS1 Pure Heart To Evil Goku SS1 Pure Heart To Good SS2 goku Pure Heart To Good SS2 Veget Was Under The Majin Spell Making Him Pure evil So Hejust Needs Tobe Pureley Evil For Him To Accend To SS3 NO MORE ARGUMENTS PLZ, Allso cant wait battle of the gods two SSG Vegeta Is Blue. So yeah he can do it. Proof of Goku being better is aginst Kid Buu, SSJ2 Vegeta got destroyed while SSJ2 Goku was holding his own, although Kid Buu was likely just playing around, Goku still did better. However, Vegeta and Goku are exactly the same as SSJ2 and Vegeta can stay in the SSJ2 form as long as Goku can, hinting that his energy reserves are pretty large. Like Trunks said after Cell told him about the flaws of USSJ: "So that's why dad chose not to transform this way. Vegeta could acheive it possibly if he was dead and had his body. There's a lot more to it than just SS1, SS2, SS3, SS4. We all know that he did transform into SSJ by 'normal' means, and I think I did clarify that he kinda does on SSJ4 as well. Vegeta’s Super ATK also adds a 50% chance to stun Enemies for 2 turns, which is works great with his Passive Skill 120% ATK Buff against stunned Enemies. and goku and vegeta were almost equal all threw out. Remember after the seven years of peace after Cell died? He can be strong against stunned Enemies, but in events where the Enemy cannot be stunned, he won’t be dealing remarkable Damage. The reason Vegeta didn't become a super saiyan 2 and 3 that smooth, was because he wasn't pure hearted. . >_< Goku porbably thought he could win because Buu was giving off fake reading of his Max. and "Can a SS2 be stronger than an SS3? Feb 25, 2018 - Goku turns into SSJ3 while fighting Kale and Caulifla, as seen in Dragon Ball Super episode … 2321. The effect increases along with the skill level. The reason he never did because it difficult to hold such power that his body can't handle. So, ki. And this was after they all achieved the form already. mean know that goku could change in to a ssj3 he was still ready to fight him mean sometime in those 14 years vegeta went ssj3 but never had the change to use it and he also say you're training ubb to be earth next portecter but you have a diffent movtive. And even, who knows if he do need the machine sometime in the future? BUT, if even after that people is still skeptical, lets analize after evil Shenrons's saga. Just thought that I should point this out, that the person that wrote this at the top is missing out on something; not to be mean, but Goku isn't a human. Vegeta will never be able to go into 3 because he is not nearly as strong in power determination and his pride makes him weak. Also I just believe the Vegeta was not able to learn it in the first place. Hell, even Teen Gohan dominated Frieza during the Buu Saga, and he was in his Base Form too. Therefore, there are several issues with Vegeta turning SSJ3, though one is considerably more speculative. vegeta reached points in his power way before goku did. When Vegito fought Buu after he absorbed Goten, Trunks, Gohan etc etc.. Vegito was way more powerful in his base form than Goku in SS1 when he fought Freeza. All these people saying Vegeta doesnt care about being stronger then Goku are crazy. The only reason Goku went SSJ3 was because he trained in the heavens for so long, while Vegta only traind on Earth. One can say the same with vegeta. To have attained SSJ3, Goku would've had to master SSJ3 and reach it's peak. This added to Vegeta's motivation as to anger Goku, Vegeta killed all those people at the world tournament just to convince Goku to fight. This is a shame, as the genocidal-villain/space pirate-turned-hero (or anti-hero) has just as many fans, if not more, than the dimwitted (and terrible father) who claims the role of main character. To answer the questions "Can a SS1 be stronger than an SS2?" - Vegeta. 20:03, April 6, 2010 (UTC), yes they did fight while vegeta was in his majin form. It even states on the USSJ page that Vegeta's tactical mindset led him to avoid using USSJ, as did Goku. When he was dead he was shown to have nearly limitless energy. well actily vegeta did turn super saiyan 3 but could never do it agin in one of the movies. My theory is that the issue is with actually unlocking the SSJ3 transformation. His Passive Skill gives him a staggering 80% Damage reduction for 10 whole turns. So anything that happens in GT can't be used when arguing about if Vegeta can reach SSJ3 form same deal for most of the movies there are only I think 5 movies that are actually truly connected to the DBZ timeline all the others are not, so using examples from the broly movies don't fit into the whole arguement of if Vegeta can reach SSJ3. vegeta was even more poverfull. Can a Saiyan as SSJ2 be stronger than a SSJ3? When in the otherworld Goku had almost limitless energy due to not having the strain of a living body. Then again maybe he needs different kinds of training. Or think that will not add nothing? Slightly raises the Super Attack power. Super Battle Road is definitely his best place, given that the Enemies in that mode have no resistance to stunning. he was only elping telepathically. The only reason Goku went ssj4 becuase ofthe Kais help and Pan. It produces a ton of strain and is, to put it simply, an unbalanced form. LSSJ is x250. I think vegeta could go to a super saiyan 3. It consumes way to much power be practical in fighting(it would only be useful in a split-second, life-or-death situation). When Goku reached ASSJ/USSJ1 and then USSJ/USSJ2 he realised that bulking up and forcing his power to increase isn't the best way to increase power level. Gotenks could keep SS3 easier than Goku while alive because he is a fusion, and therefore more powerful. actually vegeta never went ssj 3 in the dragonball series. Vegeta did probably not acheive this form because had no body when dead. In the heavens you have a limitless amount of energy, and it helps one get stronger than on a planet. If SSj2 Vegeta and Bulma were under a +170% ATK leader skill, they would generate an average of 2,456,249 ATK, which would put them above all units in JP other than LR LSSj Broly and LR SSj3 Goku. Yes, he needs the blutz machine, but its mainly to grown his tail back and to use it as a substitute to the moon (or other celestial corpse that emits blutz waves), because sayajins needs blutz waves to transform into the great ape, which is necessary to achieve the SSJ4. When he went ssj2 he needed a power boost and a drive(such as pure hatred and evil) from Babidi(he also made his heart PURE evil again), and once he attained the form with Babidi's help, he could attain the form at any time. I know that wasn't in the manga but :S Ultra Buugetto (talk) 15:07, June 30, 2013 (UTC), Vegeta could? goku on the other hand trained in other world to reach his ss2 & 3 form which was VERY easier as otherworld has more of an advantage in training than earth. also earlier on, wen vegeta and goku both sense dabura's power, they realise it is the same as cells power level and even after knowing dis, they were both not scared to fight him, meaning dat vegeta had obviously grown way stronger than cell over the yrs. just? He didnt have to for Ssj1 and 2. that brougt his strength up. 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